When socialists say they want to “abolish capitalism,” they are not saying they want to become more like Denmark or Germany, but they’d love for you to think that.

Socialism is where the government owns or substantially controls the means of production and distribution of goods. (Cambridge Dictionary, Merriam-Webster)

Nations like France, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Canada… are capitalist nations. They are market economies, not centrally planned and controlled economies. Please correct your friends when you hear them say they are socialist nations, because no, they are not. Their economies are not socialist. 

The vast majority of the largest producers in those nations are multinational corporations owned by private shareholders, and the profit motive is very much at work. They have names like Deutsche Bank, Bayer Ag, IKEA, Royal Dutch Shell, Nestle, Siemens, BASF, Lufthansa and more.

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The Børsen (Danish for “Exchange”), also known as Børsbygningen (“The Stock Exchange” in English), is a 17th-century stock exchange in the center of Copenhagen. Denmark has long been a market-based economy, where private shareholders can buy and sell stocks.

These nations — Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Canada… have a stronger welfare-state philosophy than we here in the US — and I mean this is in an economic-definition sense, not a pejorative one. Welfare-state capitalist nations have generally much higher overall taxation, a higher percentage of government employment, and higher redistribution in the form of government-administered social programs and benefits.

But they are still fundamentally capitalist — not socialist — nations. Their economic engine of goods production and distribution is NOT state-owned — it is privately owned businesses with a profit motive. Further, they do not as a rule explicitly outlaw the ownership of private property, nor businesses that produce or distribute goods.

Socialist nations today include Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and, to a mixed extent, China and Russia.

Generally speaking, truly socialist nation-states have not been awesome for their people in world history on most measures — not for liberty, innovation, property ownership, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to travel, poverty, gay rights, civil rights, the environment, broader human rights, nor I would argue, the pursuit of happiness.

When socialists say they want to “abolish capitalism,” they are not saying they want to become more like Denmark or Germany, but they’d love for you to think that.

There are many sound improvements to capitalism that we can and should debate, plan and implement (and in some cases have implemented), but “abolishing capitalism” isn’t a good place to start.


You don’t have to take my word for it. How about that of the Danish Prime Minister?

“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish.” — Danish Prime Minister, November 2015


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